Update 2016: Web interface for your Indego (click here)
How to use: insert your Indego account user (e.g. e-mail address) and password, press connect and monitor your Indego. Why is it safe to enter user account data into this web interface? It is safe because this web interface is 100% Javascript and it is executed locally on your machine (and your account data is only stored locally in your web browser). You can verify that your machine is establishing a secure connection to the Indego server (and no other server): In Firefox, press CTRL+SHIFT+K – in Chrome, press CTRL+SHIFT+J and then click on ‘network’ to verify yourself that it this web interface is secure (does not establish any other connections).
Update 2015: Bosch Indego Connect
This page describes some internal details of the robot mower “Bosch Indego”. The Indego is the only (known to me) robotic mower that …
1. can locate where it is, and so
2. navigate to a specific location in the garden.
One can literally look the Indego over your shoulder by looking into the generated maps, and so learn more about it. Here is an animation of the mapping (Click to play):
It is immediately apparent that the map is already complete at the first perimeter loop run and that the map is not corrected in further mowing sessions. I have placed the Indego map over an estate map and areal photo.
The dark grey line is the map border. You can see that the orientation of the map border sections is very accurate but the distances are not. The reason is that the sensor for measuring the orientation (Gyro + Compass) is very accurate, but the sensor for measuring the distances (odometry) is not particularly accurate.
Operation
One can only speculate about the exact algorithms of Indego, probably it works as follows:
Sensors:
-perimeter signal strength (2 coils)
-motor encoders/odometry (measures traveled distance/cm), accuracy depending on terrain 70-95% per meter
-gyro and compass (compass is tilt corrected by acceleration sensor), measures course/orientation , accuracy <1 degree
Mapping: after installation, the robot travels along the perimeter wire and generates a map of the garden.
Localization: the short-term position is estimated by odometry – if the Indego hits the perimeter, the estimated position is corrected. To improve the position estimation, the perimeter field strength is probably used and stored in the map ( ‘particle filter/Monte Carlo localization’). Sometimes, the Indego has no estimation where it is on the map (e.g. if you stop it manually) – then it travels along the perimeter wire and computes a ‘correlation’ with the map to find out its position. Often, a short perimeter section is sufficient for a secure position estimation (=high correlation with the map).
Gyro calibration: Every 3.5 minutes the Indego stops (turns of all motors) and “calibrates”. Then the gyro offset (caused by temperature variations) is measured and probably also the absolute orientation (via compass), and so the gyro orientation is corrected (as the summing up of the gyro values will otherwise drift after a few minutes).
Compass calibration: Sometimes the Indego simply rotates at a fixed position – it is quite possible that it is calibrating the compass during this time (like a sailing ship that calibrates its compass by sailing a circle). Calibration a compass means finding the minimum/maximum values of each compass axis (x,y,z).
Overall view
Models:
3600HA2100 – —, 0V/–
3600HA2101 – Indego, 230V/EU
3600HA2102 – Indego, 230V/EU
3600HA2103 – Indego 800, 230V/EU
3600HA2104 – Indego 850, 230V/EU
3600HA2200 – Indego 1300, 230V/EU
3600HA2201 – Indego 1300, 230V/EU
3600HA2300 – Indego 1000 Connect, 230V/EU
3600HA2301 – Indego 1200 Connect, 230V/EU
3600HA2302 – Indego 1100 Connect, 230V/EU
3600HA2303 – Indego 13C, 0V/EU
3600HA2304 – Indego 10C, 0V/EU
Cover
The cover (3.5 mm diameter) is mounted with rubber at 3 positions on the body (cover hanger is shown further below).
Body
From front to back: charging conacts, compass, perimeter receivers, mowing motor, battery, gear motors, battery switch
Cover hanger and bumper
The cover is mounted with a rubber ‘joystick’ at 3 positions on the body. That way the cover works like an universal ‘bumper’ for the whole body. As soon as the Indego encounters an obstacle, the cover will move slightly (consume the impact energy), the motor current will increase, and the center ‘joystick’ will trigger one of the 4 hall effect sensors (north, west, east, south). I think they are linear hall effect sensor ICs with analog output. Possibly Allegro A1324. The IC’s have 324 written on them.
Mowing motor
The mowing motor can be lifted up/down, 24V, 87W, 5A, 3700 rpm, 22 Ncm
Blades
(photo source of last two drive and gear photos: http://www.roboter-forum.com/showthread.php?4384-Bosch-Indego/page80)
ACTUATOR AEM81002808, DC 36V, D383A2, estimated 30 Watt
ACTUATOR AEM81002813, DC 36V, G196D1
magnetic encoder
gear motor wiring (assumption): thick wires (white and green) for motor +/- and thin wires for encoder (red VCC, black GND, blue/yellow encoder signals)
Charging contacts
Charging station
- Charging station generates DC voltage 4.8 V – Looking at robot front side, left side is (+) and right side is (-)
- Robot contacts charging station, DC voltage drops to 2.8 V
- This voltage drop (and the robot’s front magnet) is detected by charging station, and it generates 42 V for a few seconds
- These 42 V are detected by robot, and now you can turn on robot via display.
- Charging station sends “magnet OK” signal (HIGH=4.2V, LOW=1.8V) after turning off 42V.
Magnet OK signal as follows (LOW time microseconds, HIGH time microseconds):
(12, 228), (168, 124), (64 , 124), (68 , 224), (172, 124), (588, 224), (172, 124), (592, 228), (68 , 124), (68 , 120), (68 , 124), (68 , 120), (64 , 228), (904, 224), (176, 224), (484, 53192) - As long as “magnet OK” signal is not sent, robot displays “perimeter error”.
Free wheels
Hall sensors detect if the free wheels have ground…
LCD
chip-on-glass (COG) module, 77mm x 61mm, 240×160 pixels, 35+2 pins at display, 20 pins at socket (0.5mm pitch, 10.5mm width), maybe based on ‘uc1698u’, maybe compatible to: Truly MG240160-1(ch) , RA8822S controller
(or ST7529, LH1560, LH1562 controller)
model numbers:
truly TSF 8G0661FPC-A2-E (Indego)
truly 8G1293FPC-A2-E (Indego Connect)
(Source of button photos: http://www.roboter-forum.com/showthread.php?17277-Bosch-Indego-Folientaster-defekt)
Wiring
Measurements
Power Standby (32V power, no 32V charge signal)
TP329, TP140, TP58: 32V
Power ON (32V power, 32V charge signal)
TP207, TP27, TP10, TP9: 32V
TP269, TP105, TP7: 12V
TP320, TP215: 6V
TP328, TP327, TP311, TP298, TP224, TP127, TP2: 5V
TP304, TP248, TP246, TP243, TP238, TP237, TP219, TP184, TP183, TP68, TP41: 3.3V
TP230: 2.8V
TP178, TP126: 2.5V
TP206: 1.8V
TP325, TP56, TP55, TP42, TP11: 1V
Power ON (32V power, no 32V charge signal)
TP27: 5V (charger data signal)
Regulators
Q17: 12V
Q3: 3.3V
Q29: 2.5V
Mainboard
BOSCH ALM MAIN MODULE PCB 8 649 318 516 G01C3:
indego_pcb_top.jpg indego_pcb_bottom.jpg
Connect
BOSCH ALM MAIN MODULE PCB 8 649 318 702 G01C8:
How to run Mainboard on your desk
Connect 30V to power pins, then connect 30V to charge pins for at least 1 second and board will start.
JTAG Connector
(JTAG + Nexus/IEEE-ISTO 5001-2003)
location: near SD card reader, pin1 points to board center
MPC5604P IDCODE: 0x5ae2101d [0101 1010111000100001 00000001110 1]
TDI--7 8 --GND TDO--6 9 --GND TCK--5 10--GND EVTI--4 11--NC RESET--3 12--TMS VDD--2 13--GND NC--1 14--JCOMP
Arduino code (setting debug bit not working/incomplete): jtagduino
More details in robotic forum: http://www.roboter-forum.com/showthread.php?17511-Indego-am-Schreibtisch-auslesen
Serial connector
MAX232 only found in connect, Pin1 at right bottom
VCC--10 11--TP304 GND--9 12--TP199 GND--8 13--R81 GND--7 14--R82 GND--6 15--TP196 GND--5 16--TP197 GND--4 17--TP198 GND--3 18--12 GND--2 19 GND--1 20
@CPU:
TXD (pin 114) — TP263
RXD (pin 116) — TP296
another serial communication on TP181, TP182, TP240, TP242, TP243?
ICs
Bosch 4254X P1235 16 Pins
Linear 2E 3850 B2606 30 Pins (Step-down Converter)
74AHC30D (NAND)
MV3581 (OPAMP)
LV123A (Monostable Multivibrator)
U16: DRV8412
U17: IT OPA 2376 (Low Noise OPAMP)
U99: 5V0L6US (diode array)
U89: ATMEL1116 (EEPROM)
U63: 2049
U33, U34: 74HC30D (NAND)
U111, U113, U116, U117: MV3581 (OPAMP)
U91: NXP 5V0L6US (diode array)
U7: 16TESM
Q71: 028N06LS HAB231 (power transistor)
U61: TI OPA 2376 (OPAMP)
U96: LTC4355IS (diode OR)
MAX23221
CPU
Freescale SPC5604PEVLQ6 (MPC5604P), 64MHz, 32 Bit, 512 KB Flash, PowerPC RISC (robot control)
Mikrocontroller AT91SAM9G10, ARM, 266 MHz, 96 I/O Pins (display, menu)
GSM-Modem (Connect)
Battery
Li-Ion, 3 * 9 (27) Zellen, 32.4V, 3Ah (97.2Wh)
GPS (not found in Connect)
u-blox Neo 6m (WAAS, EGNOS, MSAS, GAGAN), 50 channels
Reed-Sensor (not found in Connect)
Reed-contact (for both free wheels) – detects ground: MEDER MK03-1A66B-100W C9/A
Battery Switch
Compass (Connect)
Compass (6W14A, NXP RG417) is located at the front, compass probably embeds acceleration sensor (to tilt-correct compass values).
Perimeter receiver (Connect)
Two coils and amplifiers (MCP6004STE 1439, MCP6002E) are located the the front. For the perimeter tracking, the left coil is centered on the perimeter wire.
Perimeter sender
Indego Connect measurements (Wire diameter 1mm): At startup, the sender ‘probes’ within 5 seconds from 5W to 25W, then returns to 5W again.
Measurement A B C D E F 220m 120m 100m 50m 20m OFF Upp 63 42 20 12 4 - Umin -19 -13 -7 -4 -1.9 - Umax 44 28 14 8 2.2 - PowerW 5 5 5 5 2.7 3 ROhm 7 4.7 2.4 1.2 0.6 -
Measurement B: repaired 120m wire, ROhm would be an effective 156m wire
Measurement A: includes the repaired 120m wire (see measurement B)
Signal sender, perimeter open:
Signal sender, perimeter closed:
Signal shape: square, pseudo-noise signal code (10 Khz samples), that means the sequence “1,-1” would be a 5 Khz square, and the sequence “1,1,-1,-1” would be a 2.5 Khz square. The signal code evaluation could be performed by a Matched Filter (correlation). The average frequency is 3.7 kHz.
The signal (Indego Connect) is 82 samples (8 ms long, repeating every 100ms, so 92ms silence) and can be detected by a correlation:
1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-1,-1,1,1,-1,-1,1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-1,1,1,-1,1,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-1,1,-1,-1,1,1,-1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,-1,1,1,-1,-1,1,-1
The result of the correlation is polarity (sign of the correlation) and the signal strength. The polarity tells us if the robot is inside/outside, and the signal strength tells us how far it is away from the perimeter.
Nice work. And a pretty cool product…
Now there are different versions of the Indego depending on the required mowing surface. But the hardware seems to be the same.
Question: Can the 600m2 version mow twice the surface?
And if it cannot, which config or firmware change or mem upgrade would be required?
Thanks!
Hello Johnnie,
I don’t know the exact differences but I also think that the hardware is the same except the battery capacity is different. The mower will do more breaks to recharge the battery. On our 600 m^2 surface the Indego 1000 does make 3 breaks for the complete area (each about 30 minutes) for recharging.
Regards,
Alexander
Thanks Alexander. 🙂
I will check once I get mine if a battery upgrade is possible (and economical…)
Hello Alexander,
1. Your IC partlist shows an RS232 level shifter MAX232.21.
Have you tried to connect an RS232 terminal (e.g. TeraTerm) to that interface?
I might me very informative to know, what messages the indego sends.
It is to be assumed that an operating system is running on the uC.
Maybe it is possible to login via RS232.
2. Do you have any informations, how the 6 keys are connected to the ARM CPU?
Direct to ARM GPIOs or is there a keyboard controller between?
Hello Rainer,
No need to reverse-engineer something – we have developed a fully open source mower that operates like the Indego and that you can adjust to your needs:
http://wiki.ardumower.de/index.php?title=Ardumower_Sunray
http://www.ardumower.de/index.php/de/forum/software/827-ardumower-software-sunray
Regards,
Alexander
Hello Alexander,
interesting project!
My target is not reverse engineering.
I just want to make the Indego WiFi capable.
The idea is, to attach an RaspberryPi to the Keyboard/LCD interface.
No nice solution, but it should help to recover the Indego by remote access.
(Enter PIN after pseudo error, Restart ….).
Regards
Rainer
Hi Rainer
This is my project as well – have you made a solution ?
Cheers, Malnitz
Hello,
I have had a Bosch Indigo for two years. The first year it worked perfectly. Since one year it stops alle the time indicating error 101 – The mower was lifted. This happens on the tiniest irregularities in the gras. I send the mower to Bosch three times for repair, but each time the problem returns after a couple of days. Do you know if the sensor can be adjusted for sensibility? Or can I disable the wheel sensor if Bosch is unable to solve the problem? (sending it back again today)
Best regards,
Jan
Hello Jan,
You can tape the movable metal pins in the free wheels, so that the free wheels cannot drop down. It works, but then your mower is not able to detect anymore if its lifted. So really not a recommended solution, but a solution if Bosch is unable to solve the probem.
Regards,
Alexander
Thx for your rapid reply! I will give Bosch one more chance to solve the problem… if they don’t get the job done, i know what to do.
Best regards,
Jan
Hello Jan, replying to old thread for benefit of others:
If you indego – that has run for some time, perhaps a couple of years – gets stuck all the time for small bumps in the garden, the problem might simply be dirt.
The wheels need to go back quickly after a bump before the sensor will say it has been lifted. If the frontwheel construction is dirty, this will take too long.
To solve: Simply take a correct torx screwdriver, some cleaning brusch (old toothbrush works) and perhaps some fluid – but then wipe off very carefully and dissassemble frontwheel carefully and clean parts to ensure smooth operation. Repeat for other wheel.
BR! /marcus
Hi,
Thank you for sharing all this information with us.
If I understand correctly you didn’t find a GPS module on the „connect” version of PCB but I wonder how then this version is capable to generate a map of the garden and show it on the app?
Currently the Indigo 800 is priced at 200 Euros less than its Connect 100 brother and according to http://www.tecky.de/review/bosch-indego-rasenroboter-und-maehroboter/ + the fact that you didn’t find a GPS module on the Connect, I would go for the 800 Model (I want the GPS). Am I correct in my judgement?
Br, Bart H.
Hello,
The Indego uses integrated motor encoders to measure the traveled distance of the robot (cm). Additionally, it uses a combination of gyro and compass to measure the traveled course (degree). Both, distance and course gives the current position (x, y). Of course, the motor encoders measurements are relative measurements (based on some start position 0,0) and experience small measurement errors (%) yielding to a wrong position after some time. To correct the position, the perimeter wire is used.
GPS would be inaccurate as GPS is never more accurate than 3-6 meters. The reason is the long distance the GPS signal has to travel, and not straight signal path (signal reflections on the ground).
You can see here how this concept works (Ardumower is a DIY robot mower):
http://www.ardumower.de/index.php/de/forum/software/827-ardumower-software-sunray
Regards,
Alexander
Thx for your reply.
I finaly decided not to go for the bosch indigo (dumped at 799,- in some Belgian stores). I ordered a Robomow MS1000 with a cuting area of 56 cm. Plans are to combine it later on with the arduino (or other) intelligence to make it more energy efficient.
Regards, Bart
Really nice job with your Web GUI !
How did you get all the API available commands ?
Regards,
ThomasM.
Hello Thomas,
Thanks. I found them in a German robotics forum (http://www.roboter-forum.com/showthread.php?10567-Bosch-Indego-connect-Anbindung-an-Portal-IFTTT/)
If you have any suggestions, feel free to post them.
Regards,
Alexander
If you want, I can realize the French translation, if you provide me all the English texts 😉
Hello I have a great problem with my indego
And bit seams only this site has some hardware information on it
My indego won’t start the display stays out
Can somebody please tell me what currents are necessary on the connectors for the pcb
Will leds light up when circuit breaker is in
My battery has a charge from 35v which seams a bit odd to
I think it’s an easy problem which can be sorted out
I don’t want to send it in again for a pricey repair
Thanks
Hello Joerg,
I Have exactly the same problem. Did you get an answer?
Thanks!
Alan
Hi,
cooles Tool!
Kleine Korrektur: Der “Service-Zähler” sind inhaltlich die Netto-Betriebsstunden … Brutto-Betriebsstunden – Ladezeiten
Also “Service-Counter” = “Netto-Betriebsstunden”, die Zeit in der wirklich gemäht und nicht geladen wurde. 😉
Danke Dir 🙂 Hab’s korrigiert 😉 Gruss, Alexander
Hello from France,
Congratulations for your nice work and Web App !
Yesterday I received my Indego 1000 connect, I just have to install the limit wire, I already registred my Indego and I hope I will finish it today to be able to play with this toy 🙂
Do you know the maximum voltage of the battery when charging ?
Mat
Hello Mat,
Have a look at the section ‘charging station’ above. The charging voltage is 42v.
Alexander
I have had my indigo connect 1000 for about a week now and generally pleased except for one fault. 60% of the times it goes in to dock to recharge it throws an error 115 Permanent Tactile Detected. In other words it thinks it has hit an object rather than the docking station. Of course this requires me to go and put in password to clear it. Which is hopeless, and Bosch are yet to come up with an answer.
What firmware does it have? I have seen these problems only with firmware 728. After downgrading to 647 these problems did go away.
00647.01043 (75 users)
00728.01043 (52 users)
00824.01043 (2 users)
00529.00903 (2 users)
00529.00943 (3 users)
00712.01043 (14 users)
Mine is 0712.1043 and it behaves like that exactly. Error code 115 while docking alone. But charging in between is perfect. Spoke to Bosch support and they advised to reboot. Same effect still.
I have the same issue.
I did notice the robot had a difficult time docking because the charging pins seemed too high for the robot, causing it to bump slightly when docking or undocking. I think that the height of the front wheels of my robot are much lower then normal (maybe because of the many bumps agains stone borders). So as a test i raised front part of the docking about 4mm (using a thin multiplex plank). Afterwards, it docked and undocked without any errors for about 2 weeks.
Unfortunately the problem returned after 2 weeks. Sometimes i see an error 115, but mostly it just detects a non-existing obstacle while undocking (after about 20 cm).
Did you ever found a better solution?
Hi, i have had my indego now for 3 years, and sudently i have got problems with both of the coils in the front, i found out it was water ingress in the mower, and it goes past the wire all the time. And ceep throwing up error code: 149
I have 5.8 firmware. Do you have any suggestion on wath to do with the front board?
Best regards stein
Have you tried to contact Bosch for a front board spare part? If they cannot deliver this as a spare part, maybe you can send me a high resolution photo of the condition of the front board. It is often possible to repair water damaged boards (drying them and repairing circuit paths).
Email with pictures sent. I think i need a new pcb board, bit do you have some sites that deliveres parts for bosch indego?
Do you know if i can update my indego by myself? Its immbossible to find firmwares online to download
You may get some spare parts directly at Bosch (you can find your Indego model at the top of my blog, e.g. 3600HA2103):
http://www.powertools-aftersalesservice.com/public/Boschlg?lgRedirect=true&country=XZ&lg=en
Unfortuneately, they do not seem to offer PCB’s at all. However, they offer a repair service, so maybe try to contact them and ask for a repair?
Hello Alexander,
it was since a lot of time that I was searching a web interface for the Bosch Indego that would give more details on the status of the mower and I finally found it thanks to you!
I find it very useful because I am investigating a strange issue on my Indego: during a mowing cycle, very often the device goes in status “519 / Idle in lawn”.
However it does not give any other warning messages. After that, if the mower receives a manual command of mowing or return to dock, it goes in status “514 / Relocalising”, and finally resumes its operations. Of course if left unattended when it is “Idle in lawn” ultimately discharges the battery.
I am puzzled about what could trigger it going in that mode, do you have any advice that could help me solve this problem?
Thank you very much!
Hi,
I’ve got following Problem with my Bosch 3600ha2100. Somehow i lost the pin. Is there any Solution to reset the pin? Bosch Service warnt to have 250€ for fixing The Problem. I saw in your pic that On CPU is a reset pin?!
Thx
Hi Alexander,
impressive work, and very useful.
I was unable to find out elsewhere, so sorry for asking: do I assume right the charging stations are mutually inter-compatible with the mowers?
Dumb me, I have mistakenly left my charging station on during winter and thick layer of snow flashed it through during melting :(.
I have 3600HA2101 – Indego, 230V/EU: would it work with charging station for 3600HA2200 – Indego 1300, 230V/EU?
Many thanks for help in advance,
Tomas
Hello,
Is it possible to use lcd from Indego in the Indego 1000 connect?
Hello, Yes, I think they use the same LCD (it looks the same).
Thanks
Please I need help. Since yesterday I can’t connect to my Indigo via app with my mobile. When I try appears this message: “Logged in on another device”
I think you cannot use PC web interface and mobile App at the same time. Is the problem solved that way?
I have not used them at the same time. Maybe the problem is that I’ve used an IPAD (IOS) for the web interface. I will try to reset the mower.
Thanks
After reinstalling the APP it works correctly.
Hello.
I would like to use a gps tracker for my indygo. Need to use 5v power supply. Is it possible to connect to indigo?
Best regards
I have problems with the indego not sensing the border wires. I thought I shoul try a factory reset but I don’t know how. Can you help?
BR….Yngve Johnsson
A 4 amp pcb fuse was blown in the charging station,.i have replaced it and now i have error cod 149. Do any one have a idea about this?
Hello!
Impressive collection of information and creative software work on the Indego You are gathering on this webpage.
Do You have any idea wether Your web interface will work with the new Indego models that are coming this spring? Bosch are launching two new models these days, Indego 350 & 450 Connect.
And do You know if there are major technical upgrade on these models?
BR…Pål
I think it will work as the web interface speaks to the Indego server located at Bosch and this protocol will be the same for all models.
http://grauonline.de/alexwww/indego/res/system.png
Hello
Will the mower work with another base, from another mower?
Best Regards Adams
Possibly with some other Bosch models. If you mean other suppliers – I’m afraid it won’t fit.
Hello, I am using Indego 1200 Connect. How to find out if I need to replace blades? Will Indego inform me in the future that blades need to be replaced?
Is there anyone that can answer this important question? Thanks.
As far as I remember, the App is informing you, when the blades are used for a long time and will link you to the shop. You have also the possibility to reset the counter for that blade-usage inside the App.
Thank you Ingolf very much for your answer. I know that the app give a chance to reset the counter but I do not know that it will inform about the blades to be changed. So as I understand just need to wait until the app will show /pop up/ proper message that is time to replace these blades.
Ok will see.
OK after 100 hours this App showed alert that I should check if the blades are still in good condition. I think this will be every 100 hours.
Hi,
I’ve been using Indego 1000 Connect recently. Works well, however can’t pair it with my mobile. The antenna sign is crossed on a display and when I try to check the signal strength it is constantly -128dB (I believe it means none). Did few restarts and tried to install/reinstall an app on a mobile and a tablet but no progress has been achieved. Also, I tried few different location (Central, Western, Eastern Europe) but it didn’t help.
Any help more than welcome
cheers
Marek
i have exactly same problem!
bosch already replaced gsm module but no change.
i suspect some softwarw issue here… is there any way to make kinda hard reset for indego? seems like factory reset still keep some data (date, year etc) in memory.
Should perimeter voltage be available in the charging station immediately at voltage input or must the charger be synchronized with the mower? I get no voltage on the perimeter contacts at all.
Hi,
I’ve got an indego 800. It is reporting lift up alarm activated – 101. I’ve taken it apart and checked the front wheel hall effect sensors are clean and seem to be working correctly. is there any way I can over ride them to check where the fault is ? Any assistance would be appreciated. I’ve called Bosch but they said that they haven’t been trained on the product !!
Thanks
Kevin
i also have this problem
did any one find a solution?
Hello,
I’ve got indego 3600HA2100, it doesn’t work, at least because of Disconnected battery inside. I don’t know to which plug should I put the battery in, as there are two, like on this picture (I found it in your article) and they are labeled CR and CL:
http://grauonline.de/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/indego_battery.jpg
Which one should I use, can you help me please? Thank you in advance.
Br
Chrystian
I assume it’s for a 2nd battery, and as far I can see from the picture both are connected in parallel, so it doesn’t matter which socket to use. However I think the sockets are coded (plug CR will not fit onto socket CL and vice versa) so you cannot mix them.
Hello thank you for your quick reply. The plugs are equal. And they are all going to separate pins. The main switch it is double one in my case. On one of your pictures above, you show how to wake up the MB without having it connected to the robot; you just put the power supply to pins located in the upper right corner. In my case, also the pins below are used. And they are connected exactly with the second plug.
Then, I think I will not make any mistake, if I’ll use the plug connected to the upper pins, as you did it.
Thank you. BR
Chrystian
Hello,
I have good news, the robot is a life. I used the CL plug, I managed to establish magnetic connection to the docking station, improve contact on battery minus pole terminal and find broken wire in cable from Trafo to docking station. The robot is talking now, the battery is almost full, as next I’ll try to force it to move. I hope I can connect short loop to the station, just to close the circuit to get it moving instead of going immediately to garden, am I right? Anyway, thank you for your help and the article. It was very helpful.
Best regards
Chrystian
Excellent! Yes, a short loop (20m) should do the trick, so the charging station as well the robot can detect it.
Hello, I have the same problem, when i connect the display on a desk it will start up but when i put it back in de robot i am unable to get it started, i used a magnet on the charging station and the voltage drops to 2.6V but nothing happends, am i missing something? Best regards , Günther
Hi!
Thank you for doing this “tear down”. It is perfect for me at the moment because I have an Indego (not connect) where the right perimeter sensor does not work. I found a lot of dirt on the board and it might look like the cause. I cleaned the board but it looks like I made a doo-doo when assembled it som I managed to rip off two of the hall sensor on the “joystick” board. I cant read the name on the board and was hoping you had high res pictures of the sensor board – if you could check I would be really greatful! (Looks like it says “324” but Im not sure)
Best regards
Stian
Acutally someone else discovered this piece of a puzzle: ” I think they are linear hall effect sensor ICs with analog output. Possibly Allegro A1324. The IC’s have 324 written on them.”
Is it possible to replace the display for some other one, or can you find a pinout of the display truly (maybe a schematic). My damage is crushed.
It would be really interesting to know as these displays often break – I had no luck so far to find anything about this display.
And how would anyone be able to record a movie like entering the menu from the moment the lawn mower and delete the old garden to make a new one. Then I may be able to program the mower again without using the display.
Really difficult as menu is slightly different from firmware to firmware. Also, currently I do not have any Indego here (did build an Ardumower http://www.ardumower). Maybe you could do the same and use the Ardumower PCB to control your Indego?
http://www.ardumower.de/index.php/de/forum/perimeter-receiver-and-sender/1233-reducing-power-usage-heat#11967
hi alexander,
thank you for your time and effort into this project. i recently got an old 3600HA2100 indego but systemerror 200 (mainboard error) appears. i am very interested in using your ardumower PCB to control the indego. did someone already made it and documented it. unfortunately i do not have the time (because of 3 little kids and fulltime job) to try allone.
best regards and cool site, martin
Will this display be compatible? LM240160G http://www.ukai.com/documentos/004681-LNK04522.pdf
No idea. The Truly displays (TSF 8G0661FPC-A2-E in Indego and 8G1293FPC-A2-E in Indego Connect) have 20 pins, the LM240160G has only 16 pins, so the pinout is probably different. The controller may be the same, or it may be different. Without information from Truly we cannot do anything.
This LCD won’t work because it uses a ST7529 controller and the Bosch LCD (at least the 1000 non-connect) uses an UC1698u or compatible.
I think this is a view based on uc1698u. With the lcd going out 35 pins it is the same in and truly. The same is the first pin is the power supply. http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/1934393.pdf?_ga=2.49301606.1941951674.1495711450-1900979243.1495444905 http://pl.farnell.com/midas/mccog240160b6w-fptlw/lcd-cog-240×160-fstn-black-on/dp/2219022
I think the chances to get this running using another display are very low – Even if you find out the I/O lines etc., the display will probably send some ID (display type, revision etc.) on request to the mower. If it is not the expected chip type (and revision), the ID may be different and the mower will not start?
If that LCD would still be available and not too expensive, it would be worth a try. The connector is not compatible with the 1000 but I have no details for the connect Version of the LCD connector.
Hallo.
My power supply to the charging station was broken so i bought an other aftermarket DC 42V 3 amps charger on eBay, when i hooked it upp with the Indego Docking station everything seems to be fine and the green LED on the top of the docking station were lit up, then i pushed the Indego into the docking station and all that happens was i litle click sound from the Indego and the everything is totally dead. No gren LED on the dockning station etc. Amy clue what can have happend?
Thank you
Hi,
I’ve only just started to use my Indego 1000 connect and almost immediately regretted my purchase. I have several issues with it but these are the main ones for now:
1. faulty error reporting: I spent the better part of 2 days figuring out why on first run the mower reported the error that the wire to the base station was not straight. As it turns out there was nothing wrong with the wire – there was simply not enough room around the base station for the robot to manoeuver.
2. a week into using it, suddenly it starts to stop randomly with the error that the left wheel is stuck and should be freed first (216). I have checked and cleaned out the wheel repeatedly but the error just keeps on coming back. I wonder if this is another faulty error report? Anyone?
3. Probably the biggest issue I have: the mower does not cover the entire garden, even though the map says everything was mowed, there appear to be “patches” or lines of unmowed grass. I googled this and found that people have been complaining about this since 2015. You’d think that by now Bosch would have issued a firmware update to fix this, but no.
I’m probably to blame since I didn’t do enough research prior to purchasing this robotmower, but I was blinded by the brandname “Bosch”, which – until now – used to mean quality.
Hello, I am using my Indego 1200 since few months cutting grass every day /level 5 manual start/. It is working great, no errors and the grass looks nice. Every 100 hours I am changing cutting blades for new ones. I do not observe any issue up to now. Sometimes it left uncut area and reports 98% done /never reports 100%/ but during next day run it move it and it is acceptable. Overall the grass is cut ok. I started with level 7 and now using only level 5 /sport grass/. I would say it is real good product. I did installation very careful looking for all recommendations from Bosch. I am happy user.
A small update. Since I’ve last posted, the mower was returned to Bosch for repairs. In spite of the problems i’ve had with this mower, I am quite pleased with the way Bosch handled it, they’ve pretty much done a complete overhaul, changing many parts for new ones, even though they were unrelated to the error – which as it turns out, was a faulty sensor.
They have repaired my unit free of charge and I am eager to test it when the weather gets better.
I have Indego 1200.
It works good untill now.
At the display is error 130
Cutter motor load too high.
I switch off check it and switch on.
After it I put pin and automatically get this error. Is it possible to reset?
Hello. type 3600ha2100. Worked fine. There was a moment when stopped and the pit and skidded wheel. After that worked fine. At the time of mowing was disconnected from the network. Then when you install to the base station error seems 194 does not see the perimeter. Departs from the station stops, the meter will pass stops. Did reset to factory settings. The error on the perimeter is not. Press the button to memorize the map to move around the perimeter of error “Low battery voltage or battery temperature out of range. Mower will start when battery condition is ok “. Checked the voltage at the terminals of the charger base station 4.6 v when there is a connection with the mower voltage 30.6 v Charges in a minute heard in the mower relay click, the voltage drops to 4v then back to 30v. And every minute the sound of a relay click. Here I wanted to ask what could be ? How can I fix )? Thank you )))
Hi. I need to replace a signal coil on my Indego 800. Do you know the component id? Looks like it has 109.01 on it and 104. Thanks.
Hi,
Love this blog…so good to find someone who is willing to share information that is not freely available rom Bosch.
Hope you can help with a defect…..
I have an Indego 3600HA2 102. It was working fine, I took it in after a cutting session but it was showing it needed a charge. I didn’t have time to leave it on the docking station. Not sure if, in my haste, I forgot to switch off the red key. The following day it would not connect. Green light was flashing randomly and there was a loud clicking sound, like a relay click, louder than the normal soft click heard when first placing the mower in the docking station. Initially there was a display error telling me to check the perimeter wire or docking station but now the screen will not display anything at all.
I have moderate tool skills (trained and worked as an electrical aircraft engineer over 25 years ago when flat screen technology was appearing in executive jets – am very rusty now!) but I don’t have the technical knowledge to the level I have been reading on this site.
I don’t want to send the mower back to Bosch as it seems it is likely to come back with the same fault!!
Hope you can help.
Kind regards, Sue
I got a problem with my Indego 1200. At the startup the display says ”Free! Translators from Swedish” e-compass failure code 57, contact service IF the problem remains. anyone know how to fix this at home?
Hello, as an user of Bosch 1200 Connect I think Bosch can improve the way mover is cover the entire garden. What if Bosch can give this opportunity to us users. Lets imagine you place your perimeter wire in the garden as you like and then the mover during first run create the map as today. Then this map is available to us through special Bosch application. So we can open the map on our computer or tablet an manually design the path how our robot will cut the grass. We will decide the way it will follow by simple drawing the path over the map. Then this algorytm will be uploaded to robot memory and it will cover 100% of the garden each time. There will be no spots mover will skip and everyone will be happy, Bosch and the user. This change in approach to Customers will be revolutionary and other companies can apply this as well. The reason is simple no one will know better than we how to cut and cover our garden how to optimise the coverage and hot wo go to difficult parts of the garden. We will design perfect coverage as we wish. Hello Bosch can you do this as an option for us?
What do you think about my idea?
thanks,
Zbigniew
Hi –
My 3600HA2102 has failed. I have heard bad reports about the Bosch service centre in the UK – it takes months to be returned. Can I send it to you to be repaired??
Sue
hi
really nice page!!
we also have bosch indego 1000 connect model and are very happy for now. it is working now for 3 days and cutting app. 1300m2.
it took a time for the first run (mapping, runing around trees) and we also decided to leave 7 trees that are “bigger” without perimeter wire, other 10 (younger trees – 2 years old) have 30cm distance circle around… for now it is moving superb!
since you are really a pro, please tell me if you have figured out how to “connect” bosch indego 1000 connect model to some other software… we have fibaro home automation and we also have netatmo weather station that is included in home automation…
So i would like the indego to be the part of Fibaro home automation system. Do you have any ideas how to make this? I have searched over the web already.
Please respond to my email if possible
regards
ales
Hi,
Does anyone know how to resolve ‘perimeter wire not detected error’? I got my 1200 connect out of storage for its 2nd season and I persistently get this error and it won’t mow. The wire is intact – I checked both ends with a multimeter.
Same problem for me, if turn of (remove) AC cable from 220V and turn on again, after 1 minute Indego works again. But sometimes after 2-5minutes same problem again. I heard that this can be perimeter sensor problem. I checked with multimeter all cable is good. Any solution?
Thank You
Harold
Hi
My Indego 1000 suddenly returns following error, without any prior incident :
“Ecompass error 57 : Ecompass not responding – contact service if error persists”
switching off and back on the next day has helped once to start the mower once,
the robot mowed 2/3 of surface, then I found it after a few hours in the docking station with the same message
any clue what to do before turning to expensive repair ?
txs
Luc
Great tear down of the machine!
I just ordered a Indego 1000 non-Connect version, found one for half price (400 Euro) so it was a bargain.
It doesn’t have a rain sensor which got me a bit worried but I called Bosch and they said that they send out weather forecasts to the machine which it can act upon to avoid mowing in rain (if you set it up like that in the settings).
How it’s done technically I’m not sure. I thought perhaps radio but after seeing the tear down here it seems the non-Conmect version neither has GSM nor radio? Do you have any idea how it is getting forecasts then?
Same problem. Suspect the magnet in the front. Anyone having experienced what happens if that nagnet is gone?
Hi guys,
I have Bosch Indego 800. After winter the robot stopped to charge itself. I have measured voltage on my charger with a multimeter and I got a result of around 6V. The charger is rated to 42V and 3,5A. Can I assume that the charger is faulty or is it like that that max voltage one can expect is 42A, but a regular one will be around 6V?
Thank you!
Hi Good practice is to charge it every month during winter time. I did this and no problem, works fine.
Hallo,
Ich habe in Frühjahr 2016 ein indego 1000 Connect zugelegt. Zuerst war alles gut. Erst nach wieder Inbetriebnahme in 2017 hat es Probleme gegeben. Es gab immer wieder orientierungs- und Lern- Phasen wo der indego das Begrenzungsdraht auf und abgefahren ist bis er richtige Rillen eingefahren halt. Laut Bosch Kundendienst liegt es an eine Engstelle im meinem Gaten, etwas 1m lang und 70cm abstand zwischen hin- zu Rückletung. Laut KD ist der mindest Abstand 1m. Sie sagten der Indego scheint nich zu wissen ob er innerhalb oder außerhalb der BD ist. Ich habe intuitiv gedacht ich muss das koppelsignal abschwächen. Darauf hin habe ich das BD weiter eingegraben , ohne Erfolg. Dann habe ich ein Trennblech mittig in der Erde eingerammt ohne Erfolg. Bringt es was wenn ich die BD verlängere als ob ich eine virtuelle Hinderniss ausgrenze. Ich habe oben gelesen das damit der Widerstand erhöht wird und eventuell das Signal geschwächt. Was meinen Sie. Haben Sie andere Vorschläge. Ich bin am Ende.
Sorry,
I ‘ve been in Germany so long that i forget which Language i’m Reading/writing. I guess i’d better translate my above post.
In spring 2016 i bought an indego Connect 1000. At first everything was fine. After demothing in Spring 2017 the Problems began. Continued Orientation and learning Phases along the perimeter wire were regular leaving deep slots in the grass. According to Bosch Service this malfunction is caused by a narrow Zone in my garten, about 1m Long and 70 cm width. Service said at least 1m distance between the Wires is required. They said that the indego doesn’t know if it’s Inside or outside the perimeter wire. Ich habe intuitively thought i should try to weaken the Couple signal. So first i tried to bury the wire deeper in the grass. No Change. Then i rammed a piece of sheet Metal between the wires. No change. Do you think it would help if i lengthend the perimeter wire to increase the resistance and lower the voltage (ref. Your article). Like a Virtual obstacle. Do you think it would work ?
Anyone know what a system error 45 is on a Connect 1200?
I have an Indego 800 machine.
After the winter, I have some problems: when I put the machine on the charger, the relay clicks and the display lights up indicating that the machine is charging. The display stays continiously on. But the machine does not start at all. When I remove the machine from the charger, it shuts down immediatly (not possible to activate the display at all). I have already replaced the battery by a new one, but the problem is still the same.
Something else that could indicate the problem: normally when the machine is on the charging station, you have the possibility to press a button to start working immediatly, but this option is not available (normally it indicates “start now” and now there is just “…”). And when I put the machine back on the charging station, it always says that is has been a long time that the machine saw the wire around the garden.
Does anyone have an idea what could be wrong?
Hi Jos,
I don’t have a solution to your problem, however if it makes you happier, I have more less the same one 🙂 Moreover I am not able to unlock the mower (the LCD keyboard stopped working). I’ve replaced the old battery too. As soon as I find out what the problem is, I’ll let you know!
Hi Dariusz,
Dig you working out the problem with the display buttons? My mower works great but I can not unlock it any longer due to that the buttons have stopped working.
All the best,
Sören
Dear both,
I’ve just got a second hand 1200 connect unit for our smaller garden (already had an older 1300 for the big garden) and have this same problem. Mower starts when docked, says “please wait while your unit synchronises” and then switches off with a click. Can’t get it to work by pressing buttons.
Did you solves your problem?
Andre
Hi. I have an indego 350 connect (3600hb0100) and rhe robot give me (sometimes) error 107. I have to restart docking and robot waiting at least 20 minutes to restart, otherwise error appairs again while booting. Do you know error #107? It seems this error come out if he robot is blocked by an obstacle or when you pause the mowing job. Have you any ideas? Thansk.
Nicola
Hello,
It is a peety that there is not answer to the questions. At least, the writer himself can give a feedback and it can help the other.
I have have an indego 1000 and it don’t want to charge the battery. The voltage to the power supply is 48V. How can i be sure if the charger or the station is faulty? I’m from Liége in Belgium.
Thanks
Hello,
my mower is locked in demo mode (blades do not rotate)
do you know how to disable this mode?
Thanks for this blog
beautiful day
It is possible to control Indego 350 connect. Some api or something, becouse it is twice cheaper then 1000 which is not manufactured, and still avaliable to buy, but it has a lot of issues and a lot of people where writing that 1000 broke down. I did’t found information about problems with 350 version
Hello,
I just bought the Bosch Indego 1000 Connect mower. Before the weekend I started the device on the test area (about 200m2) and it turned out that the mower has a problem with calibration already during the mapping of the garden on the boundary wire. After starting the mapping, the device stopped after about 2 minutes and started the calibration process, which never ends, the device does not display the error only the endless information “Calibration in progress …”. What could be the reason? Firmware version: 00647.01043 – the mower claims that the latest available.
If someone wants to control the indego manually, here’s a pinout of the two main connectors.
motor connector front view:
[ 1] [ 3] 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 [23] [25]
[ 2] [ 4] 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 [24] [26]
1 green+black motor right + ?
2 white+black motor right – ?
3 green motor left + ?
4 white motor left – ?
5 NC
6 NC
7 black+black gnd quadrature right
8 red+black +5V
9 blue+black sig1 (pull up 10k)
10 yellow+black sig2 (pull up 10k)
11 blue quadrature left
12 yellow
13 black
14 red
15 NC
16 NC
17 NC
18 NC
19 NC
20 NC
21 white+black main battery sensor
22 white secondary battery sensor
23 black+white main battery –
24 black secondary battery –
25 red+black main battery +
26 red secondary battery +
front connector front view:
[ 1] 3 5 7 9 11 13 15 17 19 21 [23]
[ 2] 4 6 8 10 12 14 16 18 20 22 [24]
1 red charger +
2 black charger –
3 white+black buzzer
4 NC
5 green bumper back (positive if contact)
6 red+black bumper left
7 white bumper front
8 yellow bumper right
9 NC
10 NC
11 yellow coil
12 blue coil
13 NC
14 NC
15 brown left wheel (+5v = contact, pull down)
16 orange right wheel
17 black stop switch
18 brown stop switch
19 red +5V
20 black gnd
21 NC
22 NC
23 black mow motor
24 red
Hello, I recently bought an indego 350 (non connect). Does anyone know of a way of running it in two different gardens without having the perimeter wire running between the two? Thankyou
Hello,
does anyone know if the charging station is supposed to send a signal on the perimeter wire in absence of the mower ?
Or only after some communication is established with the mower ?
My problem is that the mower’s LCD screen remains stuck at error -151, saying that the mower didn’t see a loop for a long time.
The 6 buttons are not responsive, gps connection works but I’m unable to clear the error. Power on/off etc doesn’t help.
I do see digital pulses on the 2 charging pins between station and mower with an oscilloscope, but there’s no signal on the perimeter wire.
I have a 3600HA2000 with perimeter error. The wire is indeed intact. I do not measure any voltage out of the power supply, so I suspected this one to be failed. It is suppose to be 42V. When I open it I can see a print circuit, under alot of potting. This indicates that the supply is more than just a dumb power supply. Does the power supply communicate in any way with the docking station? Or can I use any 42V power supply?
Hi!
I have a problem with my indego.
After docking with the charger, i tried to do a mapping run, the indego then says the battery is low on voltage or thermal temperature is not correct! Symbol for the battery says its fully Charged!
Is the battery faulty or is something else wrong? Is the battery a smart battery with surcuit board and sensors?
Would a replace battery be suificent?
Could the mower be runned on diy battery with same voltage specs?
Best regards / Peter
The battery is really stupid.
It’s just two strings of 9 cells in series, parallelled.
No fancy electronics for balance charging or so, just a simple thermistor to measure temperature of the pack.
When fully charged 9*4,2V = 37,8, which is 36 Volt nominal.
Hi,
i am going to upgrade my old (but nearly unused) Indego 800 (no connect) with Wifi by adding an ESP8266. I would like to get it done as a simple removable solution just in case i have to send the unit to Bosch for repair.
I allready found a simple solution to connect to the keypad pins. Did someone measure the voltage on these pins and the current drawn on key press? I would like to use simple transistors or optocupplers in stead of reloads to simulate the buttons if possible.
In addition, is there a connector on the mainboard where i can draw 5 or 3,3 volts as supply for the ESP?
Any help would be great!
hi, Does anyone know if there is a fuse on the Indigo 1000. ie after the winter sleep my dads machine is dead. ie no response and no indication on the display. I have replaced the battery yesterday but this does not seem to do the trick. the machine is still dead. ( the new battery was pre-charges as i measured the voltage). (the red power switch below is ok, i.e. measured the voltage going to the circuity (whoever i did not open up cover of the circuitry)
HI, could anybody help me
I have a Indego 1000. It has the following problem.
It maps the garden ok, but when it starts to cut, the cutted area gets smaller every time it has visited the charging station.
Finally it wont start but announces ” the wire has been assembled wrongly”.
As if memory shirkens or looses charge.
Thnaks
Juha Varis
St.Karin, Finland